I tried Winstrol a couple of years ago during a cutting phase. It did help me shred but my joints felt wrecked. I remember about three weeks in I started feeling this sharp pain in my elbows and knees, especially when I was hitting heavy lifts. It got so bad I had to scale back on my workouts, which kinda defeated the whole point of running it. The muscle gains were there, but the joint pain was unbearable for me. Haven’t touched it since. Not worth the risk of messing up my joints again.