Just completed 4 week cycle of Dbol tabs. Only took 2 a day as told they are harsh on liver/blood pressure etc. Doing PCT now, 4 weeks on nolvadex. Then want to hit it again straight away. Is this advisable? I want to stack Dbol and Tbol. It has been a very long time since taking anabolics and always used oil based injectables. Got some noticeable strength and gains for the short amount of time on it. Pumps were insane. Would love some feedback or ideas, how much can I take safely and for how long etc..
Oral Noob. Help?
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So first off have you done bloods?
2nd DO NOT MIX 2 Orals.
Soooooo many issues taking 2 orals but really why would you?
Your gains to toxin levels don't make it worth it. Might as well shoot 1 gram of Tren a week (don't do that)
Now the timeline.
What strength was the Dbl?
10, 20 40
Where you taking any support while taking them for the liver?
Only way to say 100% if you are right to go is by getting blood done.
The general rule though is same time on same time off. But you have been on nolvadex for 4 weeks which is also taxing on the liver.(not as bad)
So id play it safe
1 get bloods
2 give it 4 more weeks
BUT why are you only doing orals only and not oils and orals?
2nd DO NOT MIX 2 Orals.
Soooooo many issues taking 2 orals but really why would you?
Your gains to toxin levels don't make it worth it. Might as well shoot 1 gram of Tren a week (don't do that)
Now the timeline.
What strength was the Dbl?
10, 20 40
Where you taking any support while taking them for the liver?
Only way to say 100% if you are right to go is by getting blood done.
The general rule though is same time on same time off. But you have been on nolvadex for 4 weeks which is also taxing on the liver.(not as bad)
So id play it safe
1 get bloods
2 give it 4 more weeks
BUT why are you only doing orals only and not oils and orals?
And how old are you?
Body weight
Height
BF?
Body weight
Height
BF?
Thanks bro.
*No bloods done
*10mg dbol
*no liver support
*Over 50
*96kg
*6'
*15%
Took a bunch of oil based in my 20's. Did some site injections and found that when I lost weight over time I had a few cysts (probably from prop). Just couldn't be bothered with needles. Never tried the orals and thought if I did it safely it would be the better option. It felt great tbh. I read in a forum, that a guy was taking dbol and and tbol together, so this is not advisable?
*No bloods done
*10mg dbol
*no liver support
*Over 50
*96kg
*6'
*15%
Took a bunch of oil based in my 20's. Did some site injections and found that when I lost weight over time I had a few cysts (probably from prop). Just couldn't be bothered with needles. Never tried the orals and thought if I did it safely it would be the better option. It felt great tbh. I read in a forum, that a guy was taking dbol and and tbol together, so this is not advisable?
You are the same height and bf as me (14%) and weight basically
Orals like Dbol can feel amazing I get it. Anavar gives me a great pump (not as good as Dbol)
I'm 40 though. At 50 I really wouldn't suggest doing 2 lots of orals at the same time. These are highly toxic tablets just 1 compound adding in 2 is more what you can get away with in your 30s if you're not drinking.
I’d look at this.
100% get your bloods done
You can get them done from IMedical and it doesn't show up on your medical file
Prety much order this one
https://imedical.com.au/order/blood...te-blood-tests/blood-testing-for-bodybuilders
What you want to do at your age is see where your natural Test levels are. You might find that you may need TRT.
you want to also check your Lipids. Want to make sure your Cholesterol isn’t too high. Which is a huge issue with orals.
I’d suggest looking back at Test E and an oral.
In regard to the issues you had 30 years ago it could have been many things. Bathtub gear or yeah you don’t respond to well with big needles.
Look at getting 25 gauge to inject. These are super thin (takes a bit of time to push but be patient)
19 gauge to draw from the vial.
So, this would be my next stack if I was going to do something.
300mg Test E and 20mg Dbol at the end of the cycle
So, 12 -14 weeks on Test and last 6 weeks on Dbol.
Id gets bloods done now and then in 6 weeks into the cycle and also 4 weeks into the Dbol.
This will map out how your body reacts and potentially save your ticker.
Don’t try and go to hard but we really need to do this right.
Orals like Dbol can feel amazing I get it. Anavar gives me a great pump (not as good as Dbol)
I'm 40 though. At 50 I really wouldn't suggest doing 2 lots of orals at the same time. These are highly toxic tablets just 1 compound adding in 2 is more what you can get away with in your 30s if you're not drinking.
I’d look at this.
100% get your bloods done
You can get them done from IMedical and it doesn't show up on your medical file
Prety much order this one
https://imedical.com.au/order/blood...te-blood-tests/blood-testing-for-bodybuilders
What you want to do at your age is see where your natural Test levels are. You might find that you may need TRT.
you want to also check your Lipids. Want to make sure your Cholesterol isn’t too high. Which is a huge issue with orals.
I’d suggest looking back at Test E and an oral.
In regard to the issues you had 30 years ago it could have been many things. Bathtub gear or yeah you don’t respond to well with big needles.
Look at getting 25 gauge to inject. These are super thin (takes a bit of time to push but be patient)
19 gauge to draw from the vial.
So, this would be my next stack if I was going to do something.
300mg Test E and 20mg Dbol at the end of the cycle
So, 12 -14 weeks on Test and last 6 weeks on Dbol.
Id gets bloods done now and then in 6 weeks into the cycle and also 4 weeks into the Dbol.
This will map out how your body reacts and potentially save your ticker.
Don’t try and go to hard but we really need to do this right.
Yeah I'll get those bloods done now to see where I'm at. I'm doing pretty good for my age. I've maintained on and off for years. I don't drink, don't smoke and have always eaten well. I think i'm just at that age where I want to push a little harder and see what I can do. Thanks for the advice.
Then 100% bring in oil and an oral at the end. Don't jump into massive stacks. Its been 30 years you don't know how you will react.
There was a guy who was super healthy in his low 30s and had done a lot of track and field he's done a few cycles saw his cholesterol was high and just did a calcium check and got results today. They are in the danger level and he's was doing orals.
Thats why it's just a good reminder.
Let us know how you go with the bloods and post them up here
Delete all details, Name , Id number and so on
We want just the data.
As mentioned Orals are not a safe or smart option, especially at our age. If you don’t like injections maybe a long acting test would suit better. I find test & mast a very nice & safe combination- occasionally a little bit of Var( energy/ recovery) or NPP (for temperament joints). Get bloodwork to confirm what suits you. PTC & AI are usually only needed with larger doses - not healthy unless you need it.
I’ve heard small amounts work that way but I don’t know anyone who still does sub Q for oils. We all noticed bruises and bumps. Keep us updated
Can I ask why you are doing SubQ with that amount?
Normally Sub Q is low does TRT or Sarms
Since I did not have the right needle, I researched online and found that this is now the recommended method. It has fewer issues, less injury risk,, similar pharmacokinetics (more consistent/slightly lower release), and no pain.
slower not lower
Im gonna be stuck with a bunch of orals lol
Okay just a hypothetical without making your head explode...
If I were to do another oral course, with time in between could i spread it out and what would be max time between oral courses?
Can you do 2 x dbol and 1 x tbol for 4 weeks and be safe enough? Or do you really have to take one or the other at a time? I know you've already stated that they should not be stacked, but are toxicity levels really dangerously higher when doing smaller amounts?
You get so many mixed opinions on this. Some savages will say to do up to 40 to 50mg a day for 4 to 6 weeks and it wouldn't be a problem. I wouldn't say I abused oils in my 20's but I took it recklessly and didn't care about how long I was on it for, never did PCT ever, partied and drank like a fish. Never had any noticeable side-effects or problems apart from noticing a cyst from site injections in later years.
What oil should i get and how many ml/week, how long on it until you take the orals and how many?
Nah, stick to 1. There is no point doing the 2 unless you want to give your liver a chance to not recover.Im gonna be stuck with a bunch of orals lol
Okay just a hypothetical without making your head explode...
If I were to do another oral course, with time in between could i spread it out and what would be max time between oral courses?
Can you do 2 x dbol and 1 x tbol for 4 weeks and be safe enough? Or do you really have to take one or the other at a time? I know you've already stated that they should not be stacked, but are toxicity levels really dangerously higher when doing smaller amounts?
You get so many mixed opinions on this. Some savages will say to do up to 40 to 50mg a day for 4 to 6 weeks and it wouldn't be a problem. I wouldn't say I abused oils in my 20's but I took it recklessly and didn't care about how long I was on it for, never did PCT ever, partied and drank like a fish. Never had any noticeable side-effects or problems apart from noticing a cyst from site injections in later years.
What oil should i get and how many ml/week, how long on it until you take the orals and how many?
40-50 really isn't much different. If they are 20mg tablets you would do 40. If they are 10mg then you can do 50. It really depends on how your body reacts. So you can easily stick with 40mg no issues.
All you need is Test E 300 - 400mg a week for first time taking oils in so long.
You can stick on that level for a while 12- 16 weeks really depending on the bloods
With the orals normally max 6 weeks.
A lot do 4 most I know do 6. (again bloods)
You can do oral 2 different ways. Each to their own.
Start with orals if you need instant gratification and want to see things start asap
Or last 6 weeks where you have built size.
After 2 weeks (1 per week) I can report that at least in my case SubQ It was a bad idea. Painless at first, but painful for the last two weeks, with the area being red and a relatively hard mass, measuring 3cm by 2cm, under the skin due to inflammation (slowly dissolving). Yesderday I went for the leg, scary but painless, and still painless this morning
That's because the oil builds up under the skin.
Was wondering if this would happen at some point.
Many get away with it for years others 1st jab they get it.
Straight to the muscle you go
It has been 2 days and now I can feel a bit of pain in the leg at injection spot, is it normal, I am bit worried about this batch as my reaction was pretty nasty subs
