Blast, cruise or PCT

[tazghee]

hey I am a 23 year old male currently coming off my second cycle of 500 test a week. I am considering just running a cruise dose for 8 weeks as I plan to cycle again in about 10 weeks although i am concerned for fertility etc. After doing some research I figured running pct like Clomid and hcg is pointless if im going to run a third cycle. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

 

[Nugget]

I don’t believe in the blast cruise thing, I always go off. The theory is, once you go off it takes about 6 weeks for your androgen receptors to become more responsive again, so you get better results next time you do a cycle. If you cruise, the test isn’t clearing your system.

I personally don’t do pct anymore, I did 20 years ago but didn’t find it did much, not for the cost, so I just knuckle down and train my **** off, take zinc, keep my protein high, I only ever lose water weight, and my test kicks back in, and I’m over 60. I’m not saying don’t do it, I’m just saying I don’t bother, so I’m probably not one to advise you on that, but I used hcg and clomid when I did pct.

 

[chesster]

If you're planning another cycle in 10 weeks doing a full PCT doesn’t make sense since you'll just suppress yourself again. Instead, cruising on a low test dose would be a better move to keep things stable. To keep fertility in check you could add HCG to keep the boys working. Keep in mind that cycling and cruising long term can still affect fertility so regular bloodwork is going to be key. You can also think about sperm banking, just in case. In saying all that just be careful as you're still 23 and don't want to be making 'cruise' a regular thing.

 

[tazghee]

I don’t believe in the blast cruise thing, I always go off. The theory is, once you go off it takes about 6 weeks for your androgen receptors to become more responsive again, so you get better results next time you do a cycle. If you cruise, the test isn’t clearing your system.

I personally don’t do pct anymore, I did 20 years ago but didn’t find it did much, not for the cost, so I just knuckle down and train my **** off, take zinc, keep my protein high, I only ever lose water weight, and my test kicks back in, and I’m over 60. I’m not saying don’t do it, I’m just saying I don’t bother, so I’m probably not one to advise you on that, but I used hcg and clomid when I did pct.

Okay I’m 16 weeks in, should I taper down to a smaller dose for about a week to at least half of 500 then just suddenly stop and incorporate Clomid and how much ? Also how much hcg would I use and when

 

[tazghee]

If you're planning another cycle in 10 weeks doing a full PCT doesn’t make sense since you'll just suppress yourself again. Instead, cruising on a low test dose would be a better move to keep things stable. To keep fertility in check you could add HCG to keep the boys working. Keep in mind that cycling and cruising long term can still affect fertility so regular bloodwork is going to be key. You can also think about sperm banking, just in case. In saying all that just be careful as you're still 23 and don't want to be making 'cruise' a regular thing.

Use HCG while on cruise ? How much and when

 

[chesster]

Use HCG while on cruise ? How much and when

250 IU twice a week. Inject it subcutaneously..under the skin.

 

[tazghee]

250 IU twice a week. Inject it subcutaneously..under the skin.

Cheers mate, do you think 150 test e is a good baseline to cruise on, I’ve been pumping 500 a week for about 16 weeks, about to half the dose as I begin to set into the cruise. Also should it just be one injection or split it with the test and hcg ?

 

[doc]

At your age it’s possible to bounce back without anything . I agree with Nugget and did exactly that for 20 years. Occasionally I would taper with lower test dose for last 2 weeks. Recovery is better and if you’re feeling really flat 100mg of test shouldn’t hurt. Even cruising on test will reduce your natural system so try to have a decent break after your planned cycles. At your age I would PTC or TRT only if necessary and confirmed with blood tests

 

[tazghee]

At your age it’s possible to bounce back without anything . I agree with Nugget and did exactly that for 20 years. Occasionally I would taper with lower test dose for last 2 weeks. Recovery is better and if you’re feeling really flat 100mg of test shouldn’t hurt. Even cruising on test will reduce your natural system so try to have a decent break after your planned cycles. At your age I would PTC or TRT only if necessary and confirmed with blood tests

I plan to cycle again in the next 10 weeks, I’ll give pct a shot how much Clomid should I run daily and how long for and same for hcg

 

[Nugget]

Okay I’m 16 weeks in, should I taper down to a smaller dose for about a week to at least half of 500 then just suddenly stop and incorporate Clomid and how much ? Also how much hcg would I use and when

Mate, personally I don’t taper, if I’m going to run say 750 total mg, that’s what I start on, that’s what I finish on. Back in the day, early 90’s, we tapered up and down, but out of a 12 week cycle you’re only getting a few weeks with peak blood levels, so now I just start and finish on the full amount I intend to run. I don’t believe it’s necessary to taper down at the end, at least on long acting, as the long acting will naturally taper over 4 to 6 weeks as it comes out of you system.
I won’t comment on pct, as I don’t feel I’m qualified, I don’t remember our old protocol, but I’m sure it’s different to the recommendations these days, it was clomid and hcg, I tried it a couple of times and thought it was a waste of money, I used nolvadex once, but I’ve never had a problem with gyno. One of the other guys would be better to advise you on pct.
Just a side note, I’ve never used an AI either, I don’t seem to get that aromatisation effect, guess I’m lucky. You do still need a certain amount of estrogen to build muscle, it’s only a problem if you start to look like your sister in my opinion

I guess, listen to all the advice here, try things, write down notes, ie, how you felt, how your strength was, how you grew, did you hold your muscle off cycle, did certain compounds aromatise more, in the end, you need to listen to your body, do what works for you, we are all unique, just as training and diet makes us all respond differently, so do drugs, there is no one size fits all. Most of all, be patient, be sensible.

 

[doc]

I never used Clomid or ai. Did 3 tablets of novadex once .
My “Taper “ would be close to cruising as it takes over a month for test levels to clear once stopping. If u did up to a ml of test every 2 weeks it would stretch this period to more than 2 months which is close to your 10 week break. So what I call taper is pretty much a cruise ( slightly different terminology from last century) Sustenon 250 was a favorite Chemist product which has some long esters which helped.
I believe cruising is safer for most people but I understand why you might choose a small amount of Clomid. I can’t advise on dosage but I don’t think you would need it until test level drops back into range- this may not happen for a month & it may not drop low enough to even bother. PTC is usually used for longer than 10 week breaks for this reason. Keep us updated with your progress

 

[supedup]

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I always recommend Nolva and Clomid, others may disagree. Using both helps get your body making testosterone again while Nolva keeps estrogen in check. These combined make sure you're recovering well and not dealing with estrogen problems. It covers all angles so you bounce back better after your cycle. But you can always choose to hold off on the Nolva, up to you.

PCT 4 Weeks:
Clomid
Week 1: 50 mg twice day
Weeks 2 to 4: 25 mg twice day

Nolvadex:
Weeks 1 to 2: 40 mg day
Weeks 3 to 4: 20 mg day

 

[fonzy]

I'd keep the Nolva on hand and only use if you see any estrogen related issues.

 

[tazghee]

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I always recommend Nolva and Clomid, others may disagree. Using both helps get your body making testosterone again while Nolva keeps estrogen in check. These combined make sure you're recovering well and not dealing with estrogen problems. It covers all angles so you bounce back better after your cycle. But you can always choose to hold off on the Nolva, up to you.

PCT 4 Weeks:
Clomid
Week 1: 50 mg twice day
Weeks 2 to 4: 25 mg twice day

Nolvadex:
Weeks 1 to 2: 40 mg day
Weeks 3 to 4: 20 mg day

Will be running again in about 6-10 weeks time, short little break. Just confused as the Clomid will bring back natural test production then I’ll just be cycling again and shutting it off. But best to give it a break I’d say

 

[tazghee]

I never used Clomid or ai. Did 3 tablets of novadex once .
My “Taper “ would be close to cruising as it takes over a month for test levels to clear once stopping. If u did up to a ml of test every 2 weeks it would stretch this period to more than 2 months which is close to your 10 week break. So what I call taper is pretty much a cruise ( slightly different terminology from last century) Sustenon 250 was a favorite Chemist product which has some long esters which helped.
I believe cruising is safer for most people but I understand why you might choose a small amount of Clomid. I can’t advise on dosage but I don’t think you would need it until test level drops back into range- this may not happen for a month & it may not drop low enough to even bother. PTC is usually used for longer than 10 week breaks for this reason. Keep us updated with your progress

Thanks for the advice, appreciate it

 

[tazghee]

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I always recommend Nolva and Clomid, others may disagree. Using both helps get your body making testosterone again while Nolva keeps estrogen in check. These combined make sure you're recovering well and not dealing with estrogen problems. It covers all angles so you bounce back better after your cycle. But you can always choose to hold off on the Nolva, up to you.

PCT 4 Weeks:
Clomid
Week 1: 50 mg twice day
Weeks 2 to 4: 25 mg twice day

Nolvadex:
Weeks 1 to 2: 40 mg day
Weeks 3 to 4: 20 mg day

So 100mg total a day Clomid for week 1, then 50mg total a day for week 2 then that’s it ? And should be all good to begin 3rd cycle after that time ? 4-6 weeks break

 

[tazghee]

I never used Clomid or ai. Did 3 tablets of novadex once .
My “Taper “ would be close to cruising as it takes over a month for test levels to clear once stopping. If u did up to a ml of test every 2 weeks it would stretch this period to more than 2 months which is close to your 10 week break. So what I call taper is pretty much a cruise ( slightly different terminology from last century) Sustenon 250 was a favorite Chemist product which has some long esters which helped.
I believe cruising is safer for most people but I understand why you might choose a small amount of Clomid. I can’t advise on dosage but I don’t think you would need it until test level drops back into range- this may not happen for a month & it may not drop low enough to even bother. PTC is usually used for longer than 10 week breaks for this reason. Keep us updated with your progress

Cheers mate, appreciate the help.

 

[shrekmode]

I see and hear alot of guys cruise (sports cruise) with no ai. Especially if you add a bit of Mast to the mx.

 

[sonofand3r82]

i heard of alot of guys taking HCG on the regular during blast and cruise to keep firtility going. talk to your doctor and keep regular bloodwork otherwise your just guessing

 

[tazghee]

Start your PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. I always recommend Nolva and Clomid, others may disagree. Using both helps get your body making testosterone again while Nolva keeps estrogen in check. These combined make sure you're recovering well and not dealing with estrogen problems. It covers all angles so you bounce back better after your cycle. But you can always choose to hold off on the Nolva, up to you.

PCT 4 Weeks:
Clomid
Week 1: 50 mg twice day
Weeks 2 to 4: 25 mg twice day

Nolvadex:
Weeks 1 to 2: 40 mg day
Weeks 3 to 4: 20 mg day

How long do I run the Clomid for ?