Coming back to working out, but brand new to juice.

[TrendyGender]

Eyyy guys, young guy here, not a teen.

I got kiiinda jacked almost 10 years ago doing roof carpentry and gymming every day for a couple years, 82kg, maybe 13% bodyfat, could bench my own weight, almost shoulderpress it for 10 reps.
Ivee got fat, then got skinny in that time and lost basically all my muscle, i know id struggle to bench 40kg for 5 reps right now, but i can do 8 pullups, 30 pushups nonstop, lots of situps.
Im really curious about how test e and deca will go, im going to microdose them, i dont mean small doses each day, i mean small doses a couple times a week, seriously microdosing, with workouts, sauna, cold plunge.
For any needle haters out there, how did you get over injecting yourself?


Btw i ordered from gearmaniac, it will be shipped out on monday. Ive not been excited for something as much as this since christmas as a kid.

 

[TrendyGender]

Thought i should add, im 5'11, 68kg, carnivore and one meal a day. Sorry about the gay profile picture.

 

[doc]

One meal a day, physical work and multiple weekly injections isn’t the best way to get started. Micro dosing will give you lots less than your body already has so it’s unlikely to do anything. A TrT dose of 100 mg week of just test is usually safe for older guys but won’t cause much growth. Best not to re-invent the wheel when getting started. There’s fairly standard guidelines that have been proven to work over last 50 years so have a read through other posts about first cycle recommendations

 

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Eyyy guys, young guy here, not a teen.

I got kiiinda jacked almost 10 years ago doing roof carpentry and gymming every day for a couple years, 82kg, maybe 13% bodyfat, could bench my own weight, almost shoulderpress it for 10 reps.
Ivee got fat, then got skinny in that time and lost basically all my muscle, i know id struggle to bench 40kg for 5 reps right now, but i can do 8 pullups, 30 pushups nonstop, lots of situps.
Im really curious about how test e and deca will go, im going to microdose them, i dont mean small doses each day, i mean small doses a couple times a week, seriously microdosing, with workouts, sauna, cold plunge.
For any needle haters out there, how did you get over injecting yourself?


Btw i ordered from gearmaniac, it will be shipped out on monday. Ive not been excited for something as much as this since christmas as a kid.

Ok few questions

Age?
Are you training hard again right now?
Have you had bloods done?
Have you ever had any experience with PEDs?
Why did you pick Deca?

Your stack is pretty useless it will do more damage than good to your body. As doc also said

You will be shutting down and messing with your natural hormones more than anything which just opens you up for issues after you get off.

If you haven't been training for a while then you shouldn't be getting on gear. Gear should be after you have gone hard and need that extra bit.
BUT most people don't listen to this so here is my advice.

Don't do Deca. Do you know anything about it? Do you know the half-life and what that means?

Start with 250mg - 300mg a week of Test E only. The first cycles should always be TEST Only. And if its been 10 years still the same rules apply.

You have come here for support and we will guide you in the right direction.
Please answer the questions above to help us help you.

 

[TrendyGender]

Ok few questions

Age?
Are you training hard again right now?
Have you had bloods done?
Have you ever had any experience with PEDs?
Why did you pick Deca?

Your stack is pretty useless it will do more damage than good to your body. As doc also said

You will be shutting down and messing with your natural hormones more than anything which just opens you up for issues after you get off.

If you haven't been training for a while then you shouldn't be getting on gear. Gear should be after you have gone hard and need that extra bit.
BUT most people don't listen to this so here is my advice.

Don't do Deca. Do you know anything about it? Do you know the half-life and what that means?

Start with 250mg - 300mg a week of Test E only. The first cycles should always be TEST Only. And if its been 10 years still the same rules apply.

You have come here for support and we will guide you in the right direction.
Please answer the questions above to help us help you.

Just shy of 30.
I will start in a few days, just serious hiking and situps for now.
Ill get bloods done in a few days, but i suspect im low end of normal test range. Hence why i want to microdose, to juuuust bring it up a bit.

Deca seemed like the most benign injectable besides test, common aswell.

Half life was less than test-e, so id have to inject more often i assume.

I want to microdose to reduce the chance of real issues coming up when getting off, and while on.

YOu can convince me to only do test as my first cycle, but 250mg+ a week seems like a lot, i know of young guys who get prescribed less.

 

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Just shy of 30.
I will start in a few days, just serious hiking and situps for now.
Ill get bloods done in a few days, but i suspect im low end of normal test range. Hence why i want to microdose, to juuuust bring it up a bit.

Deca seemed like the most benign injectable besides test, common aswell.

Half life was less than test-e, so id have to inject more often i assume.

I want to microdose to reduce the chance of real issues coming up when getting off, and while on.

YOu can convince me to only do test as my first cycle, but 250mg+ a week seems like a lot, i know of young guys who get prescribed less.

Im glad you have joined here so we can help.

So DO NOT do anything until you do your bloods.

You are going to take something lower than TRT level dosages because you think yu might have low T but you don't know

(this isn't the same but I want to push the point) So if I have yellowing skin, some headache or cant eat I should try low dose chemo because maybe it is Cancer who knows?

TRT is 100- 150mg per week. injected 2-3 times a day. you can do it daily if you like but you do not need to.

You need to get your diet, your workout, and your recovery done before injecting. This helps bring natural T levels up a bit and at the moment I bet they are skewed because your not doing it.

Im also Carnivoure at the moment. Do it for 30 days 3 times a year. Love the reset. But you may have to look at doing an extra meal in the day at least to give you bit more energy to burn depending on when you work out.
Im fine with 1 meal a day just need to know timing of the meal and when you work out.

Deca. Again why you need to be here. Deca is up to 12 days half life so no its not fast acting. it also takes 6 -8 weeks to do full saturation of the body before you get anything from it.
Under 200mg a week isn't going to do enough for you to be taking it so this is why you shouldn't be touching it without the knowledge you don't have at the moment.

Deca can also play with your mind. Many people get depression really badly from it and it creeps up (6-8) weeks then takes over 10 weeks for symptoms to go away. Even at low doses. If you're not working out Deca holds water weight so all of a sudden you look worse than you did,

TRT is always just Test E (different countries do offer different things)

As someone who stuffed up his body because I did dumb shit with these drugs I really do want to stop others from going down what I have gone down.

Are you going to commit to a life of injecting T?

 

[doc]

Micro dosing ( millionths of a dose) isn’t really possible- the term is getting misused on American marketing for TRT clinics. Using small doses is useful only if you have a deficiency as your body will self adjust.
My first cycle was medically prescribed Anavar -for overtraining fatigue/ depletion. It works with low calorie and cardio but still has side effects. Testosterone only is considered safer & more effective.
Decca is not suitable for your needs as already discussed.

 

[TrendyGender]

Im glad you have joined here so we can help.

So DO NOT do anything until you do your bloods.

You are going to take something lower than TRT level dosages because you think yu might have low T but you don't know

(this isn't the same but I want to push the point) So if I have yellowing skin, some headache or cant eat I should try low dose chemo because maybe it is Cancer who knows?

TRT is 100- 150mg per week. injected 2-3 times a day. you can do it daily if you like but you do not need to.

You need to get your diet, your workout, and your recovery done before injecting. This helps bring natural T levels up a bit and at the moment I bet they are skewed because your not doing it.

Im also Carnivoure at the moment. Do it for 30 days 3 times a year. Love the reset. But you may have to look at doing an extra meal in the day at least to give you bit more energy to burn depending on when you work out.
Im fine with 1 meal a day just need to know timing of the meal and when you work out.

Deca. Again why you need to be here. Deca is up to 12 days half life so no its not fast acting. it also takes 6 -8 weeks to do full saturation of the body before you get anything from it.
Under 200mg a week isn't going to do enough for you to be taking it so this is why you shouldn't be touching it without the knowledge you don't have at the moment.

Deca can also play with your mind. Many people get depression really badly from it and it creeps up (6-8) weeks then takes over 10 weeks for symptoms to go away. Even at low doses. If you're not working out Deca holds water weight so all of a sudden you look worse than you did,

TRT is always just Test E (different countries do offer different things)

As someone who stuffed up his body because I did dumb shit with these drugs I really do want to stop others from going down what I have gone down.

Are you going to commit to a life of injecting T?

Personally if i thought id had cancer id fast for longer than i already have. Oh and with that one meal a day, ill also likely be drinking 2l of raw milk throughout the day. I can put on weight with one meal a day while hiking 20 to 3ks through bush, its a struggle but i can, and 2 meals, yeah, easily. I can eat over 1kg in a sitting.


Not a life no, but i want to get roughly back to where i was, with less fat, in less than 2 years without gyming for 1 to 3 hours every single day and doing hard physical labor 5 days a week.


Id add in lots of stuff to the diet, btw, except anything wheat based, bread/pasta etc, or any wheal alternative, and very rarely rice but i cant make a habit of eating those plant foods, besides fruit more often.

So what in your opinion is a more benign steroid than deca, akin to test. I was considering anavar.

 

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Personally if i thought id had cancer id fast for longer than i already have. Oh and with that one meal a day, ill also likely be drinking 2l of raw milk throughout the day. I can put on weight with one meal a day while hiking 20 to 3ks through bush, its a struggle but i can, and 2 meals, yeah, easily. I can eat over 1kg in a sitting.


Not a life no, but i want to get roughly back to where i was, with less fat, in less than 2 years without gyming for 1 to 3 hours every single day and doing hard physical labor 5 days a week.


Id add in lots of stuff to the diet, btw, except anything wheat based, bread/pasta etc, or any wheal alternative, and very rarely rice but i cant make a habit of eating those plant foods, besides fruit more often.

So what in your opinion is a more benign steroid than deca, akin to test. I was considering anavar.

20 to 30ks*

 

[TrendyGender]

Micro dosing ( millionths of a dose) isn’t really possible- the term is getting misused on American marketing for TRT clinics. Using small doses is useful only if you have a deficiency as your body will self adjust.
My first cycle was medically prescribed Anavar -for overtraining fatigue/ depletion. It works with low calorie and cardio but still has side effects. Testosterone only is considered safer & more effective.
Decca is not suitable for your needs as already discussed.

What are your thoughts on mixing 2 different types of test, enanthate and cypionate for example?

 

[TrendyGender]

Im glad you have joined here so we can help.

So DO NOT do anything until you do your bloods.

You are going to take something lower than TRT level dosages because you think yu might have low T but you don't know

(this isn't the same but I want to push the point) So if I have yellowing skin, some headache or cant eat I should try low dose chemo because maybe it is Cancer who knows?

TRT is 100- 150mg per week. injected 2-3 times a day. you can do it daily if you like but you do not need to.

You need to get your diet, your workout, and your recovery done before injecting. This helps bring natural T levels up a bit and at the moment I bet they are skewed because your not doing it.

Im also Carnivoure at the moment. Do it for 30 days 3 times a year. Love the reset. But you may have to look at doing an extra meal in the day at least to give you bit more energy to burn depending on when you work out.
Im fine with 1 meal a day just need to know timing of the meal and when you work out.

Deca. Again why you need to be here. Deca is up to 12 days half life so no its not fast acting. it also takes 6 -8 weeks to do full saturation of the body before you get anything from it.
Under 200mg a week isn't going to do enough for you to be taking it so this is why you shouldn't be touching it without the knowledge you don't have at the moment.

Deca can also play with your mind. Many people get depression really badly from it and it creeps up (6-8) weeks then takes over 10 weeks for symptoms to go away. Even at low doses. If you're not working out Deca holds water weight so all of a sudden you look worse than you did,

TRT is always just Test E (different countries do offer different things)

As someone who stuffed up his body because I did dumb shit with these drugs I really do want to stop others from going down what I have gone down.

Are you going to commit to a life of injecting T?

Alright you and the doc have convinced me, im getting a bottle of cypionate instead of deca. Ive heard some people get irritation from enanthate so ill try cyp aswell, incase.

 

[flexymcflexface]

Alright you and the doc have convinced me, im getting a bottle of cypionate instead of deca. Ive heard some people get irritation from enanthate so ill try cyp aswell, incase.

Don't buy anything untill you have your bloods.

This is the simplest thing.

We have Both now said this isn't the right thing to do and if your saying you dont want to do this for life and try get back to normal levels that's NOT what this does.

TRT is a life commitment. Once you start injecting your natural production goes down. You could shut it off for good so then if you stop you will be worse than what you re right now. (this is what I did to myself so know how bad this can be fore you) I so which I had help in my 20s with it all

I'm not sure how else to say this.

But if you don't follow the steps we have advised on I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to help you

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

THEN come back to us and we can look at it all.

 

[TrendyGender]

Don't buy anything untill you have your bloods.

This is the simplest thing.

We have Both now said this isn't the right thing to do and if your saying you dont want to do this for life and try get back to normal levels that's NOT what this does.

TRT is a life commitment. Once you start injecting your natural production goes down. You could shut it off for good so then if you stop you will be worse than what you re right now. (this is what I did to myself so know how bad this can be fore you) I so which I had help in my 20s with it all

I'm not sure how else to say this.

But if you don't follow the steps we have advised on I'm not sure anyone is going to be able to help you

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

Bloods

THEN come back to us and we can look at it all.

Yeah ill get bloods before the test comes anyway, plus i bought about 600 bucks worth of supplements related to test and general health, also to be delivered.


Oh, i forgot to mention, i have thallasemia....beta i believe, i think im high in iron, i want to find that out from bloods and see if i should bloodlet or donate blood(if theyll take it) because ive heard that can help a lot.

 

[flexymcflexface]

Yeah ill get bloods before the test comes anyway, plus i bought about 600 bucks worth of supplements related to test and general health, also to be delivered.


Oh, i forgot to mention, i have thallasemia....beta i believe, i think im high in iron, i want to find that out from bloods and see if i should bloodlet or donate blood(if theyll take it) because ive heard that can help a lot.

What did you buy.

List it all

 

[doc]

What are your thoughts on mixing 2 different types of test, enanthate and cypionate for example?

It’s fine- I prefer the sustenon mix that’s also available for medical purposes. Just gets tricky keeping track of dosing protocol’s if doing it yourself with unknown strength gear ( Gearmanic stuff is Acurrate)
Tendons and joints build up very slowly compared to muscles so be sensible with your first run. High Iron or Red cells is also a concern. Might be worth doing a couple of months on trt dose test (100-150mg) then do bloods again.
Seems like your after a more general sports style cycle so if all is going well something like Anavar, primo ,or mast might suit the cardio, physical work and lower calorie requirements( Decca won’t suit those or your already elevated iron levels )
Lots of options are available once you get the safety and basics covered

What are your thoughts on mixing 2 different types of test, enanthate and cypionate for example?

 

[TrendyGender]

What did you buy.

List it all

All these plus turkesterone, ecdysterone, nmn, cordyceps mushroom extract, lions mane extract, creatine hcl, 5htp. Thats it. Might get a couple more but im not sure exactly what. Ill be eating a lot of beef/lamb, raw, liver, heart, brain, raw milk, honey.